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		<title>Comment on CSA distribution #7 &amp; newsletter by Annette @ CoMo Homestead</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/05/csa-distribution-7-newsletter/#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator>Annette @ CoMo Homestead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 18:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, you guys, I need to know your mysterious scape removal technique! This is the first I&#039;ve heard that the scapes could be pulled up, instead of just being cut off. I&#039;ve tried to pull a few of ours up, but have only managed to break them off at the top. What&#039;s your secret?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, you guys, I need to know your mysterious scape removal technique! This is the first I&#8217;ve heard that the scapes could be pulled up, instead of just being cut off. I&#8217;ve tried to pull a few of ours up, but have only managed to break them off at the top. What&#8217;s your secret?</p>
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		<title>Comment on CSA distribution #7 &amp; newsletter by Chert Hollow Farm</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/05/csa-distribution-7-newsletter/#comment-1060</link>
		<dc:creator>Chert Hollow Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 18:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, nothing&#039;s changed.</description>
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		<title>Comment on CSA distribution #7 &amp; newsletter by Jason</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/05/csa-distribution-7-newsletter/#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 16:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks great - is the cheese-making demo this Saturday still from 1-4pm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks great &#8211; is the cheese-making demo this Saturday still from 1-4pm?</p>
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		<title>Comment on CSA distribution #6 &amp; newsletter by Eric</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/05/csa-distribution-6-newsletter/#comment-1057</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 18:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annette &amp; Scott,

The parallel-panel approach you use looks really good for smaller plantings, but it&#039;s cost-prohibitive for us at the farm scale. We&#039;re using a single panel down the middle of the row, letting the plants vine up it and using bed-lengths of string to hold them on. This lowers the cost and works better for the hundreds of feet of tomatoes we do. In past we&#039;ve just used string between T-posts alone to support tomatoes, as many farms do, but feel it&#039;s too unstable, so we&#039;re trying the one panel approach to provide some central stability. We&#039;ll see how it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annette &amp; Scott,</p>
<p>The parallel-panel approach you use looks really good for smaller plantings, but it&#8217;s cost-prohibitive for us at the farm scale. We&#8217;re using a single panel down the middle of the row, letting the plants vine up it and using bed-lengths of string to hold them on. This lowers the cost and works better for the hundreds of feet of tomatoes we do. In past we&#8217;ve just used string between T-posts alone to support tomatoes, as many farms do, but feel it&#8217;s too unstable, so we&#8217;re trying the one panel approach to provide some central stability. We&#8217;ll see how it works.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CSA distribution #6 &amp; newsletter by Scott</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/05/csa-distribution-6-newsletter/#comment-1056</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 17:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I set up parallel lines of cattle panels last year and planted tomatoes between them. Worked pretty well, though we barely got any tomatoes. That was more of a weather, soil and location issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I set up parallel lines of cattle panels last year and planted tomatoes between them. Worked pretty well, though we barely got any tomatoes. That was more of a weather, soil and location issue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Customizing CSA shares: Radish example by Lunch by Chert Hollow Farm &#171; Show Me Eats</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/05/customizing-csa-shares-radish-example/#comment-1055</link>
		<dc:creator>Lunch by Chert Hollow Farm &#171; Show Me Eats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 17:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My favorite feature of theirs* is the ability to customize what you receive each week by way of an online survey. We&#8217;re growing tons of herbs already at the house, so no need for Eric and Joanna to drop [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My favorite feature of theirs* is the ability to customize what you receive each week by way of an online survey. We&#8217;re growing tons of herbs already at the house, so no need for Eric and Joanna to drop [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on CSA distribution #6 &amp; newsletter by Chert Hollow Farm</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/05/csa-distribution-6-newsletter/#comment-1052</link>
		<dc:creator>Chert Hollow Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 14:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annette,

Do you string them along the outside, too, to support the outer branches as they bear fruit? In the past we&#039;ve used either cages, or just string, and are assuming we&#039;ll still need to string them on the panels once they get branchy and heavy. What&#039;s been your experience?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annette,</p>
<p>Do you string them along the outside, too, to support the outer branches as they bear fruit? In the past we&#8217;ve used either cages, or just string, and are assuming we&#8217;ll still need to string them on the panels once they get branchy and heavy. What&#8217;s been your experience?</p>
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		<title>Comment on CSA distribution #6 &amp; newsletter by Annette @ CoMo Homestead</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/05/csa-distribution-6-newsletter/#comment-1051</link>
		<dc:creator>Annette @ CoMo Homestead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 13:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We use cattle panel for our tomatoes, too, and have found that it works well. We just have to be sure to continue weaving the vine up through the panel while the growth is young and tender, otherwise we run the risk of breaking the stems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We use cattle panel for our tomatoes, too, and have found that it works well. We just have to be sure to continue weaving the vine up through the panel while the growth is young and tender, otherwise we run the risk of breaking the stems.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homemade whole-milk ricotta by Chert Hollow Farm</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/04/homemade-whole-milk-ricotta/#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>Chert Hollow Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 11:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great, Robin, thanks for the feedback and extra advice. The butter is definitely optional; we do it both ways. We also realized we hadn&#039;t really addressed preservation, so just added a paragraph at the end about freezing it, which works really well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great, Robin, thanks for the feedback and extra advice. The butter is definitely optional; we do it both ways. We also realized we hadn&#8217;t really addressed preservation, so just added a paragraph at the end about freezing it, which works really well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homemade whole-milk ricotta by Robin</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/04/homemade-whole-milk-ricotta/#comment-1046</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 22:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made this today, using a half gallon of your goat&#039;s milk. Just a couple of notes from my newbie experience that might help your other newbies.

I also looked at several other ricotta recipes. I heated the milk very slowly, over more than an hour, and only gave it an occasional stir until it reached about 180. I then brought up the heat a bit to finish it off. I had no sticking at all.

Since it was a half gallon, and I don&#039;t have any fancy measuring cups that do 1/8 cup, I just converted; 1/8 C = 2 tablespoons of cider vinegar. This being my first time, I think I may have overstirred a bit and/or left it on the heat a little long after adding the vinegar; next time I think I&#039;ll take it completely off the burner (I have an electric stove). It&#039;s a little rubbery in texture. I also had forgotten your advice to add herbs directly to the butter, I will do that next time. But I found that 1 1/2 Tbls of butter for the half gallon amount is a little much. I think next time I&#039;ll do 1 Tbls or even try it with none and fresh chopped herbs rather than cooked. 

I have lots of whey left over, and for now that&#039;s going to go into dog bowls in the morning. I may save some as stock later on.

The flavor when still warm is pretty darned amazing, and I don&#039;t get any &quot;goaty&quot; tinge at all.

My plan for tonight is to stuff some large shells with a mixture of the ricotta, some of your fresh spinach which I had previously destemmed, blanched and frozen, and mushrooms and herbs. Should be yummy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made this today, using a half gallon of your goat&#8217;s milk. Just a couple of notes from my newbie experience that might help your other newbies.</p>
<p>I also looked at several other ricotta recipes. I heated the milk very slowly, over more than an hour, and only gave it an occasional stir until it reached about 180. I then brought up the heat a bit to finish it off. I had no sticking at all.</p>
<p>Since it was a half gallon, and I don&#8217;t have any fancy measuring cups that do 1/8 cup, I just converted; 1/8 C = 2 tablespoons of cider vinegar. This being my first time, I think I may have overstirred a bit and/or left it on the heat a little long after adding the vinegar; next time I think I&#8217;ll take it completely off the burner (I have an electric stove). It&#8217;s a little rubbery in texture. I also had forgotten your advice to add herbs directly to the butter, I will do that next time. But I found that 1 1/2 Tbls of butter for the half gallon amount is a little much. I think next time I&#8217;ll do 1 Tbls or even try it with none and fresh chopped herbs rather than cooked. </p>
<p>I have lots of whey left over, and for now that&#8217;s going to go into dog bowls in the morning. I may save some as stock later on.</p>
<p>The flavor when still warm is pretty darned amazing, and I don&#8217;t get any &#8220;goaty&#8221; tinge at all.</p>
<p>My plan for tonight is to stuff some large shells with a mixture of the ricotta, some of your fresh spinach which I had previously destemmed, blanched and frozen, and mushrooms and herbs. Should be yummy!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Using mint in beverages by Joanna</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/04/using-mint-in-beverages/#comment-1041</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 18:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annette,
As I&#039;m sure you know, be sure to thoroughly think through where you want mint, as getting rid of it is difficult, and it likes to spread. We love mint, and we distribute a lot of it, but even so we have some plantings that are in danger of escaping the areas in which they are welcome. For the same reason, make sure you find a variety (or varieties) that you really like. Mint doesn&#039;t grow true-to-type from seed, so buying a plant of a kind you like is the best way to ensure that you&#039;ll have something worthwhile. We did start some spearmint from seed that is pretty good, but I later read a suggestion for seed starts which I wish I had followed: Start more plants than you want, taste all of them, and pick the best. If you&#039;re interested in any varieties we have, we could certainly sell you a cutting at a reasonable price. (We have the three shown above, plus a couple of others.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annette,<br />
As I&#8217;m sure you know, be sure to thoroughly think through where you want mint, as getting rid of it is difficult, and it likes to spread. We love mint, and we distribute a lot of it, but even so we have some plantings that are in danger of escaping the areas in which they are welcome. For the same reason, make sure you find a variety (or varieties) that you really like. Mint doesn&#8217;t grow true-to-type from seed, so buying a plant of a kind you like is the best way to ensure that you&#8217;ll have something worthwhile. We did start some spearmint from seed that is pretty good, but I later read a suggestion for seed starts which I wish I had followed: Start more plants than you want, taste all of them, and pick the best. If you&#8217;re interested in any varieties we have, we could certainly sell you a cutting at a reasonable price. (We have the three shown above, plus a couple of others.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Using mint in beverages by Annette @ CoMo Homestead</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/04/using-mint-in-beverages/#comment-1040</link>
		<dc:creator>Annette @ CoMo Homestead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this! I&#039;ve been meaning to get some mint started. The next step after that was going to be figuring out what to do with it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this! I&#8217;ve been meaning to get some mint started. The next step after that was going to be figuring out what to do with it. <img src='http://cherthollowfarm.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on A few more notes on CSA distribution #2 by Jamie</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/04/a-few-more-notes-on-csa-distribution-2/#comment-1036</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have really been enjoying this week&#039;s share and are looking forward to tomorrow&#039;s delivery quite a lot!  We made a spinach pesto that was lovely and also have a curry recipe that&#039;s very simple and quite good: 

approx. 15 cups spinach
2 cups bean sprouts
a bit of grated coconut (optional)
1 c. yogurt
clove of garlic
a bit of fresh ginger (grated)
1 tsp. each of fennel, anise, and cuman seed
juice from 1 lime
salt

Steam spinach and bean sprouts.  Blend in food processor with coconut, adding yogurt until the consistency is thick and smooth.  Fry ginger, garlic, fennel, anise, and cumin in a pan with a bit of butter or oil until fragrant.  Mix the spices with the spinach and add lime juice and salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have really been enjoying this week&#8217;s share and are looking forward to tomorrow&#8217;s delivery quite a lot!  We made a spinach pesto that was lovely and also have a curry recipe that&#8217;s very simple and quite good: </p>
<p>approx. 15 cups spinach<br />
2 cups bean sprouts<br />
a bit of grated coconut (optional)<br />
1 c. yogurt<br />
clove of garlic<br />
a bit of fresh ginger (grated)<br />
1 tsp. each of fennel, anise, and cuman seed<br />
juice from 1 lime<br />
salt</p>
<p>Steam spinach and bean sprouts.  Blend in food processor with coconut, adding yogurt until the consistency is thick and smooth.  Fry ginger, garlic, fennel, anise, and cumin in a pan with a bit of butter or oil until fragrant.  Mix the spices with the spinach and add lime juice and salt.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CSA distrubution #3 &amp; newsletter by Joshua</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/04/csa-distrubution-3-newsletter/#comment-1035</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 19:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot your milk isn&#039;t in yet. Our favourite cheesemaker (Ruth, who you met) has just recently restarted with the fresh cheeses, although she of course has multiple sources and multiple types of animals. I don&#039;t think she&#039;s had any fresh goat yet, or at least not much. And the sheep we&#039;ve noticed has started off remarkably more &quot;sheepy.&quot;

Finally found a reasonable egg source, btw, although this time of year I&#039;m sure makes it easier! A group of Amish farmers have gotten together to be able to get their eggs graded and legal for sale at markets and in select stores. $5-6.50/dozen is the going rate. Not certified, but pretty widely trusted. One of the farmers also does pigs and the only way you can order his pork is by mail! (Maybe remind your customers who want you to have a cell phone it could be worse!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot your milk isn&#8217;t in yet. Our favourite cheesemaker (Ruth, who you met) has just recently restarted with the fresh cheeses, although she of course has multiple sources and multiple types of animals. I don&#8217;t think she&#8217;s had any fresh goat yet, or at least not much. And the sheep we&#8217;ve noticed has started off remarkably more &#8220;sheepy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally found a reasonable egg source, btw, although this time of year I&#8217;m sure makes it easier! A group of Amish farmers have gotten together to be able to get their eggs graded and legal for sale at markets and in select stores. $5-6.50/dozen is the going rate. Not certified, but pretty widely trusted. One of the farmers also does pigs and the only way you can order his pork is by mail! (Maybe remind your customers who want you to have a cell phone it could be worse!)</p>
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		<title>Comment on E. coli and raw milk paranoia in central Missouri by Eric</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/04/e-coli-and-raw-milk-paranoia-in-central-missouri/#comment-1034</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 01:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

I don&#039;t really disagree with anything you say, but the core point here is how the BCHD is managing this particular (and others) instance. They&#039;re putting a single-minded focus on raw milk before collecting necessary proof (and apparently neglecting to pursue other possibilities given that focus), and taking every chance throughout the local media environment to present raw milk as an inherently and uniquely dangerous product different from anything else. I doubt that would happen with any other product (can you imagine the same media blitz from them for soda or ground beef as a whole?), but they feel comfortable issuing blanket warnings that reflect poorly on all farmers and all sources of the product regardless of context or evidence. As we already wrote above, they&#039;ve very quickly backed off their initial claim and it still seems there&#039;s no clear idea what the source is, but they&#039;re still repeating the same &quot;raw milk is evil&quot; mantra with nothing to back it up that relates to this specific incident. Regardless of how policy and personal choices fall on the spectrum of protection vs. freedom, I consider this inappropriate behavior that would have them in contact with corporate lawyers if they did it to a corporate food product rather than one produced by individual small farmers with little power or time to fight back. Whether or not children are involved relates to the parents&#039; choices, and has nothing to do with the reputations and practices of the farmers directly involved or indirectly smeared by this behavior. And if it does turn out to be a specific farm source of raw milk, that still doesn&#039;t justify the blanket overreaction any more than treating an outbreak from any other product as a reason to ban or smear that product rather than deal with the specific circumstances involved.

Lizi,

We can&#039;t be drawn into a discussion about the relative health/safety merits of raw vs pasteurized milk. The internet is full of these discussions and it&#039;s not worth our time. We&#039;ve made it clear that we support the rights of adults to purchase and use raw milk, and that we personally do not  do so or allow our customers to do so; there are many options out there for those who feel otherwise in either direction. 

The point of the quote you cited above is that the profit margin on milk is quite small, and the financial risks quite large. As a full-time self-employed business, the income we can/could make on raw milk doesn&#039;t begin to pay for the potential liability and legal costs of dealing with a situation like the current one, which could quickly swallow our farm and farm business if it involved us. No matter of ethical good feelings changes the basic economics of this reality; good intentions and brotherly love don&#039;t pay for health insurance, retirement savings, mortgage payments, labor costs, and lawyers. This is why we have the policy we do; the possibly small decrease in nutrition and/or quality from home pasteurization or cooking is a more than adequate tradeoff for the fiscal and legal security of keeping our farm business a going concern. No customer, however loyal, stands to lose anywhere near as much as we or any farmer do if or when something like this happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really disagree with anything you say, but the core point here is how the BCHD is managing this particular (and others) instance. They&#8217;re putting a single-minded focus on raw milk before collecting necessary proof (and apparently neglecting to pursue other possibilities given that focus), and taking every chance throughout the local media environment to present raw milk as an inherently and uniquely dangerous product different from anything else. I doubt that would happen with any other product (can you imagine the same media blitz from them for soda or ground beef as a whole?), but they feel comfortable issuing blanket warnings that reflect poorly on all farmers and all sources of the product regardless of context or evidence. As we already wrote above, they&#8217;ve very quickly backed off their initial claim and it still seems there&#8217;s no clear idea what the source is, but they&#8217;re still repeating the same &#8220;raw milk is evil&#8221; mantra with nothing to back it up that relates to this specific incident. Regardless of how policy and personal choices fall on the spectrum of protection vs. freedom, I consider this inappropriate behavior that would have them in contact with corporate lawyers if they did it to a corporate food product rather than one produced by individual small farmers with little power or time to fight back. Whether or not children are involved relates to the parents&#8217; choices, and has nothing to do with the reputations and practices of the farmers directly involved or indirectly smeared by this behavior. And if it does turn out to be a specific farm source of raw milk, that still doesn&#8217;t justify the blanket overreaction any more than treating an outbreak from any other product as a reason to ban or smear that product rather than deal with the specific circumstances involved.</p>
<p>Lizi,</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t be drawn into a discussion about the relative health/safety merits of raw vs pasteurized milk. The internet is full of these discussions and it&#8217;s not worth our time. We&#8217;ve made it clear that we support the rights of adults to purchase and use raw milk, and that we personally do not  do so or allow our customers to do so; there are many options out there for those who feel otherwise in either direction. </p>
<p>The point of the quote you cited above is that the profit margin on milk is quite small, and the financial risks quite large. As a full-time self-employed business, the income we can/could make on raw milk doesn&#8217;t begin to pay for the potential liability and legal costs of dealing with a situation like the current one, which could quickly swallow our farm and farm business if it involved us. No matter of ethical good feelings changes the basic economics of this reality; good intentions and brotherly love don&#8217;t pay for health insurance, retirement savings, mortgage payments, labor costs, and lawyers. This is why we have the policy we do; the possibly small decrease in nutrition and/or quality from home pasteurization or cooking is a more than adequate tradeoff for the fiscal and legal security of keeping our farm business a going concern. No customer, however loyal, stands to lose anywhere near as much as we or any farmer do if or when something like this happens.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CSA distrubution #3 &amp; newsletter by Chert Hollow Farm</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/04/csa-distrubution-3-newsletter/#comment-1033</link>
		<dc:creator>Chert Hollow Farm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 01:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua,

We can&#039;t wait for our milk supply to return, so we can get started on all the dishes that fresh cheese allows (like your suggestions above). We&#039;ve used our feta as a reasonable substitute for paneer, as it has a solid, chunky texture that holds together. I do want to make the real thing some time, though.

Everyone,

This evening we used two member recipes from last week, the koftas and the lemon balm pesto, for a very nice dinner. Made fried rice using baby carrots, new radishes, garlic &amp; onion scallions, eggs, and the lemon balm pesto, and topped it with fresh-ground goat koftas made pretty close to the posted recipe. Very nice combination.</description>
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<p>We can&#8217;t wait for our milk supply to return, so we can get started on all the dishes that fresh cheese allows (like your suggestions above). We&#8217;ve used our feta as a reasonable substitute for paneer, as it has a solid, chunky texture that holds together. I do want to make the real thing some time, though.</p>
<p>Everyone,</p>
<p>This evening we used two member recipes from last week, the koftas and the lemon balm pesto, for a very nice dinner. Made fried rice using baby carrots, new radishes, garlic &#038; onion scallions, eggs, and the lemon balm pesto, and topped it with fresh-ground goat koftas made pretty close to the posted recipe. Very nice combination.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CSA distrubution #3 &amp; newsletter by Joshua</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/04/csa-distrubution-3-newsletter/#comment-1032</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2012 00:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with the spinach. I&#039;ve got a favourite farmer here in Toronto that has been bringing overwintered spinach and it sounds just like yours... slightly yellowed or ripped leaves but absolutely delicious. Surprisingly delicious, honestly.

A couple other uses for it, now or with blanched later on:

&gt; Shakes. A great way to start the day for those either on the go or whatnot. Here&#039;s some inspiration for options. http://www.rawlicious.ca/Rawlicious/Menu.html

&gt; Indian food. Palak paneer is our personal favourite, but you&#039;re not limited to that. Paneer can be substituted for with other fresh cheese, like a haloumi or I think curds would work well. Ricotta and cottage cheese are the right flavours but wrong texture... you generally want chunks. We fry the cheese in a bit of oil and then toss into a bowl of water. Gets ride of most all the oil that way and adds a lot of depth of flavour. Get an onion/garlic (or other alium) mixture happy, ideally with ginger and certainly with Indian spices of choice, then add the spinach and chopped tomatoes (we started with dried tomatoes we lightly reconstituted) and potentially some extra liquid because once reasonably cooked you want to puree. Our extra liquid was yogurt, so use the term liquid broadly! Once hot/pureed adjust seasoning to taste, add the paneer in and then eat with flatbread and/or rice. Look up recipes online for other tips etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with the spinach. I&#8217;ve got a favourite farmer here in Toronto that has been bringing overwintered spinach and it sounds just like yours&#8230; slightly yellowed or ripped leaves but absolutely delicious. Surprisingly delicious, honestly.</p>
<p>A couple other uses for it, now or with blanched later on:</p>
<p>&gt; Shakes. A great way to start the day for those either on the go or whatnot. Here&#8217;s some inspiration for options. <a href="http://www.rawlicious.ca/Rawlicious/Menu.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rawlicious.ca/Rawlicious/Menu.html</a></p>
<p>&gt; Indian food. Palak paneer is our personal favourite, but you&#8217;re not limited to that. Paneer can be substituted for with other fresh cheese, like a haloumi or I think curds would work well. Ricotta and cottage cheese are the right flavours but wrong texture&#8230; you generally want chunks. We fry the cheese in a bit of oil and then toss into a bowl of water. Gets ride of most all the oil that way and adds a lot of depth of flavour. Get an onion/garlic (or other alium) mixture happy, ideally with ginger and certainly with Indian spices of choice, then add the spinach and chopped tomatoes (we started with dried tomatoes we lightly reconstituted) and potentially some extra liquid because once reasonably cooked you want to puree. Our extra liquid was yogurt, so use the term liquid broadly! Once hot/pureed adjust seasoning to taste, add the paneer in and then eat with flatbread and/or rice. Look up recipes online for other tips etc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on E. coli and raw milk paranoia in central Missouri by lizi</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/04/e-coli-and-raw-milk-paranoia-in-central-missouri/#comment-1031</link>
		<dc:creator>lizi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are certainly entitled to your opinions, and to think that providing a very healthy product to those who really want it and benefit from it is &quot;everything to lose and very little to gain&quot;. i am forever grateful to my milk man for providing my family with what i believe is an extremely healthful source of nutrients, putting himself and his livelihood on the line because of his shared belief that raw dairy from grass fed animals is a health food with many benefits.  from what i have gathered, most of us customers feel whole-heartedly the same way. i think he is a rebel, yes, but really a brave and generous man to provide this food to us- what many of us call &quot;liquid gold&quot;- even though he does have every &quot;thing&quot; to lose. but in my mind what he has gained, and shared with us, is the spirit of helping and providing for your brothers and sisters, even when that choice is unpopular and not exactly profitable. (i guess you probably gather by now that most of us raw milk drinkers are pretty over-zealous!)

even if the facts come to prove that his milk was to blame, as it does appear, i don&#039;t think that changes most or any of our (customers&#039;) opinions. raw milk has risks, just like any food. people make mistakes, we are only human. most people drink raw milk for decades without any ill effects, and will attest to the myriad of health benefits. 

i sort of do wonder what your take is on that facts that i shared to counter your statements about the safety or risks of raw milk. i don&#039;t like how the CDC cherry picks facts and presents them to make it sounds like raw milk is any less safe than pastuerized dairy.  &quot;outbreaks&quot; is not an accurate barometer of safety as an outbreak of raw milk might involve 3 people (usually it is less than 10) and of course with pastuerized milk it involves hundreds if not thousands. also to note is raw milk outbreaks are less likely to result in serious complications and hospitalizations, they are usually rare and sporadic in the number of consumers who actually get ill from the exposure. dairy in general is actually not a &quot;risky&quot; food when you look at the statistics compared to other foods. compare that to other outbreaks where are very large percentage of those exposed get sick, very sick. 
i guess you just gotta go with your gut. which i respect. it is an opinion. but the facts really do not support the idea that raw milk is any less safe than most other foods we consume.

until i get another hook-up, i will not drink pastuerized milk from the store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are certainly entitled to your opinions, and to think that providing a very healthy product to those who really want it and benefit from it is &#8220;everything to lose and very little to gain&#8221;. i am forever grateful to my milk man for providing my family with what i believe is an extremely healthful source of nutrients, putting himself and his livelihood on the line because of his shared belief that raw dairy from grass fed animals is a health food with many benefits.  from what i have gathered, most of us customers feel whole-heartedly the same way. i think he is a rebel, yes, but really a brave and generous man to provide this food to us- what many of us call &#8220;liquid gold&#8221;- even though he does have every &#8220;thing&#8221; to lose. but in my mind what he has gained, and shared with us, is the spirit of helping and providing for your brothers and sisters, even when that choice is unpopular and not exactly profitable. (i guess you probably gather by now that most of us raw milk drinkers are pretty over-zealous!)</p>
<p>even if the facts come to prove that his milk was to blame, as it does appear, i don&#8217;t think that changes most or any of our (customers&#8217;) opinions. raw milk has risks, just like any food. people make mistakes, we are only human. most people drink raw milk for decades without any ill effects, and will attest to the myriad of health benefits. </p>
<p>i sort of do wonder what your take is on that facts that i shared to counter your statements about the safety or risks of raw milk. i don&#8217;t like how the CDC cherry picks facts and presents them to make it sounds like raw milk is any less safe than pastuerized dairy.  &#8220;outbreaks&#8221; is not an accurate barometer of safety as an outbreak of raw milk might involve 3 people (usually it is less than 10) and of course with pastuerized milk it involves hundreds if not thousands. also to note is raw milk outbreaks are less likely to result in serious complications and hospitalizations, they are usually rare and sporadic in the number of consumers who actually get ill from the exposure. dairy in general is actually not a &#8220;risky&#8221; food when you look at the statistics compared to other foods. compare that to other outbreaks where are very large percentage of those exposed get sick, very sick.<br />
i guess you just gotta go with your gut. which i respect. it is an opinion. but the facts really do not support the idea that raw milk is any less safe than most other foods we consume.</p>
<p>until i get another hook-up, i will not drink pastuerized milk from the store.</p>
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		<title>Comment on E. coli and raw milk paranoia in central Missouri by Frank</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/04/e-coli-and-raw-milk-paranoia-in-central-missouri/#comment-1030</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 16:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an issue of public health vs. private choice. Safeguarding public health always will inhibit private choice - whether we do it by mandatory vaccination for school children (smallpox, polio, pertussis, etc.), FDA approval for new drugs (thalidomide), health insurance (no they don&#039;t pay for everything you might want them to), not feeding beef products to cattle (mad cow),  safe cooking practices (typhoid Mary), public sewer systems (cholera), seatbelt laws, anti-drunk driving laws, and the list can go on virtually forever. Because we can&#039;t test for every hazard in real time (nor would we want to) we have to make statistical judgements.

And yes, safety will always seem to be over-reacting, because we don&#039;t always suffer the individual consequences of unsafe behavior, and we aren&#039;t very well equipped to reason statistically. Raw milk does present a hazard - the presence of microbes that most people won&#039;t notice, but will be much more likely to make some (the old, young, or immunocompromised) very ill and will cause illness in previously healthy people.  

The question is one of cost and benefit. How many *preventable* illnesses/deaths are we willing to accept in the service of &quot;individual choice&quot; on this or any issue? The fact that at least two of the victims are infants changes the equation significantly IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an issue of public health vs. private choice. Safeguarding public health always will inhibit private choice &#8211; whether we do it by mandatory vaccination for school children (smallpox, polio, pertussis, etc.), FDA approval for new drugs (thalidomide), health insurance (no they don&#8217;t pay for everything you might want them to), not feeding beef products to cattle (mad cow),  safe cooking practices (typhoid Mary), public sewer systems (cholera), seatbelt laws, anti-drunk driving laws, and the list can go on virtually forever. Because we can&#8217;t test for every hazard in real time (nor would we want to) we have to make statistical judgements.</p>
<p>And yes, safety will always seem to be over-reacting, because we don&#8217;t always suffer the individual consequences of unsafe behavior, and we aren&#8217;t very well equipped to reason statistically. Raw milk does present a hazard &#8211; the presence of microbes that most people won&#8217;t notice, but will be much more likely to make some (the old, young, or immunocompromised) very ill and will cause illness in previously healthy people.  </p>
<p>The question is one of cost and benefit. How many *preventable* illnesses/deaths are we willing to accept in the service of &#8220;individual choice&#8221; on this or any issue? The fact that at least two of the victims are infants changes the equation significantly IMHO.</p>
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		<title>Comment on E. coli and raw milk paranoia in central Missouri by Eric</title>
		<link>http://cherthollowfarm.com/2012/04/e-coli-and-raw-milk-paranoia-in-central-missouri/#comment-1026</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lizi,

We don&#039;t have time to respond more fully to your concerns, though I appreciate your sharing. I accept your critique of the &quot;be stupid&quot; line and have changed it to &quot;take risks with&quot;.

I&#039;m going to stay out of the pro/con argument on the benefits of raw milk, but this story clearly demonstrates one of the main reasons we don&#039;t handle or recommend it to others; the liability risk for our farm of being tarred by association in a situation like this. The possible health benefits to our customers just aren&#039;t worth it to us as a full-time family farm with everything to lose and little to gain from allowing consumption of raw milk from our farm. 

Finally, I agree that another angle rarely questioned or reported is the in-home handling of food products and what impacts that has on food safety issues. A topic for another time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lizi,</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have time to respond more fully to your concerns, though I appreciate your sharing. I accept your critique of the &#8220;be stupid&#8221; line and have changed it to &#8220;take risks with&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to stay out of the pro/con argument on the benefits of raw milk, but this story clearly demonstrates one of the main reasons we don&#8217;t handle or recommend it to others; the liability risk for our farm of being tarred by association in a situation like this. The possible health benefits to our customers just aren&#8217;t worth it to us as a full-time family farm with everything to lose and little to gain from allowing consumption of raw milk from our farm. </p>
<p>Finally, I agree that another angle rarely questioned or reported is the in-home handling of food products and what impacts that has on food safety issues. A topic for another time.</p>
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